W/S asks for public support
Whether you support or oppose this development, this ad in today's Herald is well done. With its time lapse photography, paver sidewalks and hardwood facades, I think this flyer will sway public sentiment in favor of W/S... to some extent.
I'm not sure how much it cost, but I'd venture a guess that one flyer cost at least a buck... and I think the Herald prints about 7,000 or so copies. So W/S probably spent at least $7,000 on it.
I also noticed their Shoppes at Cheshire website for the first time.
And in one other Herald related item, I'm glad to see the Herald took the time to separate fact from fiction (by Leslie Hutchison):
A statement from an anonymous source posted on the blog of Town Council member Tim White states “Letters to P&Z can be given to Planning and Zoning for the record after 5/7. Keep writing letters.” Unfortunately for the writer, that doesn’t appear to be the case. Assistant Town Planner Lisa Murphy said, “It is highly unlikely that letters would be accepted” for the public record after the hearing closes.Sticking to the facts is essential to any worthwhile debate.
Tim White
Town Council, 4th District
57 comments:
Tim,
When some one from the council asked if there where any drawings to look at (even on a napkin) W/s said "NO". They lied. The next day a drawing was found. Great pictures . How about the back of the stores. How much are these condo's going to cost? They never say. There was such a low turnout for them at the last meeting that they had to resort to fancy flyers. You were fooled once and it seems it has happen twice. Look beyond the pictures. With modern technology one can make anything look good.
W/S needs all the help they can get. People asked great questions at the last meeting. The last speaker regarding water was right on. The W/S people were sweating. Plenty of water was available that night.
I guess you really are for it. How sad for Cheshire. Swayed by glossy ads.
Tim: Did you read the whole article? The Herald accepted the biased view of the W/S attorney, rather than getting the facts from an unbiased source. They accepted Fazzone's view as if he were the town attorney, well he is not and they should recognize that. Bad reporting and your adding to the problem by highlighting it.
Fazzone is dead wrong and the flyer is 100% correct. The text change affects the entire 400 acres and that is the issue now before the P&Z. They cannot just change the text for a part of the interchange zone. If this text change passes, it then allows W/S to file a project development plan which conforms to the new text change that now allows housing and retail.
If the text change is approved, then others in the 400 acre zone can file development projects for retail and residential. If P&Z turns their project down, then they can go to court and the court would most likely side against the town.
If you don't believe Fazzone is wrong, the developer's lawyer, get an opinion from the Town Attorney, he should have already addressed this subject.
Another reason to question Fazzone's expertise is the fact that he owns property in the Interchange Zone.
The only other explanation is that the reporter got it all mixed up.
Another flyer item that he says is wrong is that no one is proposing big box stores. Maybe they are not in the W/S proposal, he knows what is in the W/S proposal, but the public doesn't. And,nobody knows or has an idea what can happen in the other 300 acres. He says that W/S is asking for stores in excess of 50,000 sq ft and he says this may perhaps be 70,000 sq ft. Well this is the first time anyone heard a figure, but it is not a firm figure, it is a perhaps figure. More smoke.
Now Mr. Fazzone does not say anything about building heights over 65 ft, nor does he say why they need buildings over 6 stories. How high is over 65 ft? Perhaps 70 ft? or 500 ft. Are there going to be 20 story apartment building? Let us in on the secrets.
So, in the future the Cheshire Herald should base their stories on people who are impartial and can provide accurate facts and they should not print false accusations that mislead the public.This sounds like Iraq supports that attack anyone that differs with them. The Herald should have asked the town attorney, that's what his job is.
Lisa Murphy is wrong. Last time I looked she worked for Cheshire. Why doesn't she check with the Town Attorney and the P&Z Chairwomen. It's up to her how long she keeps this open. If they have sixty -five days why not obtain as much info as possible. The public was not given enough notice. People have no clue that it pertains to the other 300 acres. Fazzones timely misquote will confuse them more. They should keep this open or deny on that reason alone.
I'm glad the Herald didn't mention anything about the spelling errors in Tim's blog.
Can't wait to they start building it!!!
This looks awesome!!! As soon as the public gets a good look at this they will say Get This Done!!
Let's support this it is great!!
Everybody is for this except for the usual 5 people who are against everything. The project is gonna happen because I know all the members of the PZ have told me so. Great project!
Great Scott!
Wow what a great opportunity for cheshire. this is just what the people want. this should pass easily and will be a great asset for our wonderful town.
I am impressed with the proposal and the professionalim of the people from WS. They are trying to do something good for the town and I can fully support the plan. Go to Canton yourself and see the great shoppes and resturants and the stores. Even if we need to add one more policeman then it is worth the cost.
Anon 9:25 You know and talked to the P&Z great. I guess rules don't apply to you. If your so sure it's a done deal why do you keep writing BS on this blog. Go play with your toys and make up a shopping list. The courts will decide.
Justin one more policeman? In the record-Journal you said two. Next week you will say three. Are you the police chief now? How nice of the reporter to spoon feed you everything. Fair and balanced news? Wait until everything is exposed. You might have to go shopping some place else.
Why does someone keep saying support it? I thought they said it was a done deal. Maybe your not sure? Keep sweating. It's good for you.
Can't wait to start buiding it. Well the local carpenters union does not support W/S. Wonder who's going to build it? Look south for labor.
fiddle sticks broom sticks and hickory sticks
The men from WS are going to make history in town
Go man Go
New stores and more
Do it for cheshire
Do it for Ct
do it for the country
boy o boy
it cant come soon enough
When it finally arrives
I will jump and shout
All about
We have won
the town has won
Man this looks like the most!!!
This is the beez knees
The snakes hips and the fleas eyebrows
23 skidoooo
go for it Cheshire
Got to get it
Got to have it
WS is the best in the world
Do it for the man
Money coming our way
Money for our schools
And all the way
Up and up
The Shoppes At Cheshire
the best place to shop
Tim,
The last three comments are obviously from the same person which I don't mind as long as he/she brings another thought or rebutal. Take them off they are ruining a good informative blog. Please.
it is time to do the WS dance
More shops and stores and all you buy
Consumers get ready
Shoppers get ready
Coffee shops
Books stores
More more more
Be ready for a big change
The WS program is a winner
all want it
PZ council and the mainstream people
Very few against
it
if it looks like shops and stores
The boys from WS are involved
it is the medicine and drink in the middle of the desert
Do it for the town they want it
12:00PM, 12:04PM, 12:10PM, 12:34PM, 12:47PM, 1:03PM All the same person. Please stop wasting our time. You obviously are at the bottom of the intelligence scale.
As for the person who thinks this is a done deal because "everyone on the P&Z has told him so". No one knows so stop trying to kid us and yourself. If a P&Z member has talked to anyone about this they would be off the P&Z and no one is going to be that stupid! So check your facts before you start throwing around statements that may hurt someone.
Look at the ball it is made of chrystal
I see stores and shoppes
I see a great walking path
Great theatre
Great place to meet friends
I want to see the whole thing come about
PZ is for it
I can tell bc I know it
council was for it
Eco Dev is for it
Lots of signatures at stop and shop
aint no stopping us now
We are on the move
Watch out - we have a multiple Lewinsky sighting. Monica, come up for air!!!
The end is near
Lets have a beer
At the new resturants at the shoppes at Cheshire
We will raise a toast
for the most
And old the old timers can be our host
to an old fashioned hoedown
Don't let this jerk, whoever he is, stop constructive dialogue. Just ignore him and continue with the intelligent comments!!!
stores and shoppes and all that is nice
Go for it go for it
and eat some rice
Man if these shopppes go through it will be like living in Cheshire heaven. Most of the people I talk to want this. all those flyers at stop and shop-mean nothing
At least the flyers are true and not like your lawyer Fazzone who lies. Ask for a refund from him.
Tim:
Not only did you vote for this. Now you are helping to pump it by pulishing their brochure and guiding people to their Webb site.
This shows that even after having time to consider all the negative aspects of this proposal, you are for it.
This is the project we have all been waiting for. It is the real deal and it can't be stopped. Everyone wants it and there are no down sides.
Heads up old timer-the boys from WS are going to cook you up someting nicccce...
Just like you dont want it
rest and shoppes and movies and stores
Get out the way
get out the way
The boyz are back in town
There is a huge problem in your way. Sand. The town might have to pay $532,000. There goes half of the $1M in plus revenue and it's not even built. What's going to happen later? Hamden's "magic mile" is outdoors with plenty of residential behind it. Look at their taxes. Much higher than Cheshires. We will not be able to duplicate the " magic mile" but we might create "THE TWILIGHT ZONE"
Cheshire businesses are voting to put themselves out of business. How? They are not willing to take a stand against the development of 400 acres of retail in the northend. They worry about losing business from people who support W/S request for rezoning.
So, their silence is in fact the vote that will put them out of business.
Wake up! Think about what your doing. The people of Cheshire want you here, where we don't have to drive a long distance. We don't want empty store fronts.
The chamber may have voted for it, but you don't have to follow their lead. Tell them they are wrong and take some action to prevent this assault on our town.
Keep Cheshire a family town with family owned businesses, where customers are known by name and not just another body.
Property Values Will Fall.
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Property values will fall if this zone change is approved. Why do people want to live in Chester, Madison, Woodbridge and Cheshire. It's because these are nice residential towns, and that's why.
So why do people want to change Cheshire from a place that they can raise their families and take part in a community, to just another commercial town. Remember, location, location, location, and if Cheshire becomes like Southington, then Cheshire is not going to be the location people desire. Even Calcagni knows that.
Nobody can say for sure if the town is going to have any net tax dollars over the many costs. Without an impact study for the entire 400 acres is made, the zone change must be rejected. This a huge change, not a matter of allowing 10 houses instead of 5.
This is the United States, let the people decide this crucial issue, not just 3 or 4 P&Z commissioners acting on no information.
Orange and Westport have the Post Road. Try buying a house in those towns.
Woodbridge has a very deficient school system. I would not use them as a role model
Orange and Cheshire are like apples and oranges. Look at the location of the Post Rd. Also, they just changed their lot size to 2 acres I believe. Why are they trying to keep out Stew Leonards?
when these shoppes are built I am going to jump for joy
Fiddlesticks and broomsticks
Here it comes
HOt Dog!
Responses to "apple v. Orange" (and they're not, as I used to do relo work in real estate)
1. the Post Road bisects Orange
2. they must love McMansions
3. They were fools and wasted lots of money listening to folks who signed off on more intensive development earlier
I don't see how it is ethical for Justin Adinolphi to be pumping the W/S development when he is acting as a town consultant on the town's Strategic Plan.
He's the main supporter of W/S. It looks like he's working for them to. Why did the Town Council hire Justin, a previous council person, to work on the strategic plan, this doesn't seem ethical either.
4:36 I believe Justin Adinolfi was the consultant for the Strategic Plan when it was first done five or so years ago. And while this year's budget proposal included $14,000 for a strategic plan update, the Council chose to remove it from the budget.
5:07 I felt your comment was entirely unnecessary.
W/S did not get their $7000 worth tonight. They had to dig up Fazzones brother, the old Town Manager(now Commercial Realtor),CCC letter, EDC letter and many other realtors. They said nothing new. The good question had been asked at previous meetings by the (ANTI-GROUP) as we are labeled. Let the decision process begin. P&Z members were gracious to let them have their say.
WOW your nuts if that is the way you saw it. Nuts.
Everyone new was for the project.
What did they say concerning the text change? Your answer please.
It should be passed.
"Everyone new was for the project"
Your right about all the realtors that Calcagni ordered to go. Did they get paid overtime? Ed O'Neill really convince all the other realtors.
Probably 90% of the supporters work for realtors, pretty sleazy.
Your right - if you eliminate the realtors from the P&Z meetings the pro people are slim. The real money maker in this is the residential. The developer says he doesn't need to have residential to make this work - don't believe it for a minute.
Your are just wrong when you say everyone new was a realtor, there were a lot at the first meeting and almost none at the thrid. Just more lies, how low will you people go?
Is this Cheshire's contribution to Global Warming?
Pave and roof over the northend. After the 400 acres of the interchange, the zoning of the industrial land to the south can be changed for more paving.
Go Cheshire, go.
You are all nuts!
Hey Matt Bowman, why are you still pulling down flyers?
You were spotted removing one Sunday.
I watched the televised May 14 P&Z
meeting. It seemed that the P&Z commissioners had more questions on the CVS application to build a new 13,000 sq ft store on the former Mcfee Auto Body and Damons Restaurant properties, than they had during the two P&Z meetings on the 400 acre Interchange zone change.
I also noted that there was no large crowd in support of a new CVS which will improve our shopping experiences. The supporters must have been given the night off.
Anon 9:51
I think its fair to say PZC has probably held back most of its questions in favor of hearing public comment and testimony from the developers. There was about 10 hours of it spread over 3 Monday nights. Hopefully we can expect lots of tough questions to be asked but unfortunately we will have to be there or read the minutes since the next meeting, 5/21, is not on cable. I doubt the Herald will cover it indepth either.
Even though the public can't say anything I think the public should show up anyway just to keep everybody honest.
Hmm...development at the far edge of town...makes a ton of sense, doesn't it? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Center of town is a piece of crap, and the pastoral beauty of the town is gone. Schools are overrated, and rich snobs everywhere. Sounds like EverySuburb, USA.
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