Saturday, June 02, 2007

Ode to Phillip the Great

A poem submitted by Cheshire resident Greg St. Martin:

O, Great Phil.
Not just any hill.
Tho’ we never heard of you
until
upon you men did want to buil’.
O, Great Phil.

Then it rained.
Your sand did spill.
No more dirt bikes
for Jack and Jill.
Conspiracy theory?
A movie: “Kill Phil?”
Pardon my French, but
“What the hill?”
Cost to fix you:
half a mill!
‘Mong friends who’s counting?
O, Great Phil.
As long as Cheshire won’t get the bill.
Unneeded expenditures:
we’ve had our fill.
Read last line “Town Pool,”
if you will.
Not to mention
the climbing mill.

O, Great Phil.
Good luck, my friend.
“Tim White Listens”
while others pretend.
Let’s not destroy
our fine North End.

Greg St. Martin

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why would 400 acres of malls and hundreds of rentals destroy the Northend?

The Cheshire Herald is all for it so we have nothing to worry about. The Herald also reassures us that it's local business men, Paul Bowman and Doug Calcagni, trying to make a profit and that they will have to live with it.

Anonymous said...

Great poem. I love it!

9:27 -- I agree. Maybe W/S will be kind enough to give our whole town a new make/pave-over. Now that would be progress. Right? Stores, stuff, and cash make us happy... right?

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Anonymous said...

Tim, are you still in favor of the plan for the northend development?

Do you think it will ruin Cheshire as those who are opposed to it here say? I'm undecided which way to think on the subject. I really don't feel it will be as disastorous as some of these people claim.

Isn't it a little late to think we can save Cheshire from overdevelopment. Wasn't that done years ago?

Anonymous said...

Look at Canton. They are trying to warn us. Go to their web site Cantoncare. Org. Interesting reading. There is much that can be done.

Anonymous said...

Every developer in Cheshire is probaly in on this. Good for them. It's America and they can do what they want. They are asking the town to change the rules that everyone has had to play by for the last 40-50 yrs. This process stinks. It places the town in a terrible position. This is the major problem. Whether you would like this or that it does not matter. Once the change is made it's done no matter what anyone says and they know it. This is what the people of Cheshire should quickly realize and voice their opinion. What the developers say or do now does not matter(they can change their minds with "THE PLAN" later). They need this passed and then they will do what they want and Cheshire will not be able to do a darn thing. These are facts.

Anonymous said...

3:30
With all due respect what difference does it make if you or Tim White have made up your minds on this?

This is in the hands of Planning & Zoning. They will make or break this project. How a town is developed is the question not whether it is overdeveloped. Cheshire is a residential community with good schools. It is zoned 86% residential, an overdevelopment concept if you look at the numbers.

The scant remaining acreage is industrial commercial. What planner in their right mind would think adding residential to the industrial was a smart growth thing to do? The answer is pretty clear, our planner and many of our elected officials, D's & R's. This is a shame.

Back to your question. You won't see reduced taxes, you will see a push for increased municiple services. We will be Hamden and Southington, fine nieghboring towns that have helped populate this town because we were different.

You don't have to be a genious to see the writing on the wall. If you have any questions left it should be, How could they?

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:30 I'm sure this is what our forefathers wanted us to become "THE SHOPPING CAPITAL" of New England. Give me a break. What a disaster for this town. Oh I guess the people who have a second home can move out on the weekends because of all the shoppers. Good-bye Cheshire hello Manhattan.

Tim White said...

3:30

residential... as I said before when I voted... I was concerned with stemming the brain drain... I don't see this addressing that in a meaningful way.

retail... I'm ok with the retail on the northwest quandrant (although we should see a cost/benefit analysis). I'm uncertain about the legal issues relating to the "special overlay zone" though. And I think that is a key component in this.

Remember though that P&Z decides.

Anonymous said...

I read this quote from a reader in Mondays Hartford Courant: "The decisions of planning and zoning are to promote orderly growth and development and promote the most appropriate use of land. To approve development for the short- term gratification and political gain is repugnant". I hope our P&Z takes heed and uses good judgement in their deliberations to arrive at the best decision for ALL Cheshire citizens(present and future).

Anonymous said...

You are not going to solve the brain drain by creating minimum wage, no benefits, part-time retail jobs.

Let's stop using the fairyland term "Life Style Center", that's just marketing crap. It's a mall and rental housing, nothing more, it's no different that Hamden Plaza with all the rental housing behind it.

Support for this mall/rental development was made on the basis of one-sided and flawed information and testimonials supplied by a single source, the developers, and now the same decision makers feel they have to support their original decision. It's OK for them to say they were wrong and that they didn't have enough information; Art Hostage had the guts to do it.

You say you're OK with stores in the Bowman and Calcagni 109 acre section? Do you really think it can be contained?

"Special overlay zone" - this is a fairy tale supported by Fazzone, Coburn and Voelker. It's a joke. Let's have real unbiased lawyers tell us how ironclad this is. Does Cheshire have a lawyer?

Another fallacy is that limiting residential to 2 bedrooms will reduce children to just a few. Even if you didn't convert the library, sewing room, etc., you could still get 2 kids in the second bedroom and have a convertible living room couch. How much per child per year?
Over $10,000?

And, Ecke the cop doing a survey of children in condomiums? They're talking rentals, not condos, and it would be new residents, not those whose kids have finished school. His survey result is that there would only be a few children. Another joke. What motivated him to do this public service? How could Voelker use Ecke's survey to argue for housing? Why can't he see it is not relevant? Why would anyone be arguing for more housing acreage? There are already 16,000 available acres zoned for housing. Why do we need more housing acreage? What kind of planning is that?

It's time for everyone to stand back and think, while we still have a chance. Now is the time to get real decision making information by doing due diligence studies using unbiased professionals.

Stop and think.

Anonymous said...

Did you guys see the black helicopters over town this weekend? Do you think that they were government?

Anonymous said...

Great comment. You have done some research. The town does have a lawyer(one of the best in CT)from what I have heard but he has been used sparingly. Why? Other towns have had their lawyers opinion before their deliberation(Madison for one). It's the same lawyer that we are using. Check out Madisons' website www.noHEDS06443.com. Why before in Madison and not Cheshire? What are we doing? Can't be the always used "Not in the Charter" answer? Who knows but why can't some reasons be given by anyone.
As far as residential. The answer is simple this land was cheap by todays standards. You could get all the info from The Commercial Record.

Anonymous said...

I am so tried of people that live in town that think since they are here no one else should be allowed. I hope they build 500 four bed room units and we have to educate everyone. They come from all over, that would be great.

Anonymous said...

5:06
500 homes in the current residential zoning is not the issue. If the zoning says ok go for it. This town has a plan for development that is used all the time. Anyone whe thinks we don't grow is crazy. As a community we welcome smart growth. Not everyone is always pleased but clearly the consensus is that Cheshire is a great town.

The problem is the 150 - 500 apartments in an industrial zone along with many of the same stores that appear in nearby towns. This isn't some elitist, no growth arguement. Its an argument against rearranging the rules to suit a developer new marketing strategy.

If you are really interested in this community you have to look at all sides of the ledger. This project's promoters are primarily from the realestate community, the local press, and some elected and hired officials anxious to get their hands on some sort of fairy tale tax windfall.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and ask WHY should we do this? Who are we trying to please and what will it do for you and this town? The other question is what will happen if we don't have this change.

I think the answer to both questions is...zip, nothing, zero, which in the case of squelching the project is a clear positive for the town.

PZC must restore order to this debate and kill this change. The IC zone isn't perfect. We could use more commercial but this isn't the answer. This is way too big a departure for Cheshire plan of development.

Anonymous said...

When is the next P&Z meeting on the text change?

Anonymous said...

I think that the republicans are mad that they are not getting the credit for the develpment, if they were they would be for it. They held a meeting on this a few years ago and I think that the people that spoke said this was the only kind of project that would come.

Anonymous said...

Who is Phil?

Anonymous said...

This poem is stupid

Anonymous said...

There are a few elected Republicans and a Democrats that don't like this project. It is not political except for those that imbrace it as some kind of gift to the town brought by their leadership.

Of course the outcome may be something they all want to run away from. Its a vision thing not a political thing. I think the proponants vision is clouded by a number of things. For some it is shopping close to home. To others its a missunderstood tax windfall. To some its "progress".

For the opponents it is the town's acceptance of something we have not had to deal with. It is a loss of something that made the town different and special for them.

Sadly, most folks are just too busy with their daily grinds to give a darn.

There are decent hardworking and caring people on both sides of this debate but it is the huge crowd that removes themselves from the debate that really irks me. Too busy to care, to bother to look at our past and even care to consider the future. Has government done such a great job it be allowed to go unchecked?

This is the same crowd that expects the government to bring them their groceries when a hurricane disaster hits. Its not a poverty thing its a laziness thing.

Anonymous said...

Matt Bowman, the self appointed Town Censor, was seen today on Mountain Rd, at 8:20 AM, tearing down signs in opposition to the mall from trees that are on private property.

Since when is it legal to trespass on private property with the intent of doing damage? If it is, then anyone in town should be able to remove any sign they don't like.

Why is he taking such an active part in trying to stifle any opposition to the mall? There has to be a really good reason.

How many other opposition signs has he removed?

Have we lost our freedom of speech?

Anonymous said...

If Mr. Bowman has trespassed on private property call the Police and file a complaint. He has no right to do that.

Just like the people that are putting up the signs on the poles, they have no right to do it and should also face arrest for their actions, because it is illegal.

It works both ways.

Anonymous said...

Poles have been used for at least a hundred years to inform people of events, tag sales, town meetings etc.

Whereever you go, you will find stuff on poles. It's the American way. It's freedom of speech. Yeah America. Down with the censors.

Anonymous said...

People in America follow laws and there is a State law against it, so ...'Yeah America' follow the law.

Anonymous said...

Can you believe with all that is going on in this world and town that "poles" and what goes on them is the NO 1 topic. What the heck is the matter with everyone? Grow up. The MRJ wrote a huge article on this. There has to be other things in Cheshire that are more newsworthy. People must think we are going nuts. By the way dogs use poles for other reasons.

Anonymous said...

The whole signs on telephone poles is a safety issue for the linesmen...nothing more, nothing less. Is the "no signs" really a state law or a SNET/AT&T regulation? Anyone know for sure?

Anonymous said...

It may have been a safety issue years ago. The utilities say it is no longer a safety issue as they don't climb poles anymore. They don't really care.

Anonymous said...

All the zone change promoters say nothing has happened in the Northend in the last 20 years and nothing will, so we have to change the use from industrial to housing and retail.

Its not true! In just the last few weeks:

1. A plan to develop an 8-acre property at 300 East Johnson Ave., which is being evaluated for inclusion on the Environmental Protection Agency's National Priorities List, is being backed by a local businessman

2. On May 21, Fazzone and Zima Developers submitted plans for a 80,000 sq ft industrial condominium complex on Highland Ave. James Fazzone said it's hard for small businesses to to find property that they can own.

3. Front Page MRJ May 31, Islander East Gas pipeline project suddenly has the appearance of moving forward.

Maybe it is time to stop and think?

Smart Growth is happening. Why change the very limited amount of land available for smart growth for very questionable retail and residential.

It's should town planner should be thinking of maximizing the future benefit of the Interchange and not change the zoning for the immediate benefit of a few developers.

Maybe, not enough effort has been made to find the businesses that confort to the current zoning. The zone has all the right characteristics, good highway access, good local workforce, and the gas pipeline can be a big asset.

Anonymous said...

Half of what remains of this historic engineering project has been destroyed over the last three weeks.....by your government.
The thousands of cubic yards of earth put there by workers in the 1820's has been repositioned for the developers to put their project on.
No Wetlands Commission oversight....no DEP oversight....just DO IT!
The town has done $500,000 of site work for the property owners and the Feds will pay the bill....excuse me. The taxpayers will pay the bill.
Nice going Town Council!
How about mowing my lawn for me this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Almost 200 years and no one did anything. Some Corporation in town purchases the land and we get Federal and State aid faster than the people in New Orleans. What's wrong with this picture?

Anonymous said...

I don't get the poem.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that Matt Bowman, Town Censor, feels he has the right to tresspass on private proverty for the purpose of tearing down or damaging signs opposed to his brother's development? I wouldn't care if he merely wanted to look.

At the same time Paul Bowman, his brother, and Doug Calcagni have had concerned citizens, who wanted to see their 109 acres of property, arrested.

They are so afraid that the public will see what a beautiful piece of property it is and with the Ten Mile River it supports a such a wide range of wildlife. How are all these animals going to survive on asphalt and rooftops?

With all the money these people have recieved and special treatment from the town they should allow the public to see for themselves if Cheshire will gain from their massive development.

I feel sorry for the police that now have to be on pole patrol to make sure nobody puts up any opposition signs or be called to arrest a concerned citizen who only wants to look, not damage.

It is necessary for each P&Z member to go and walk this property and after they do, they should stop and think about what we can lose.

Anonymous said...

When do the stores open?

Anonymous said...

What stores? There might only be one the way the text change is proposed. They could build one and the rest could be whatever. This text is as loose as a goose. Some people understand this and some don't. You might have to wait a long time for "The Stores" to open.

Anonymous said...

Liability and safety may be one reason they would rather not have anyone just walking around there property whenever they wanted. If something were to happen to you, they could be responsible. Just a thought.