The traffic impact
The MRJ is reporting that "traffic on Route 10 would increase by more than 3,000 vehicles on Saturday afternoons if the shopping center is built, according to traffic engineers."
Tim White
Saturday, December 01, 2007
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That's just great, wall-to-wall gridlock on Rte 10. Did P&Z take this into account in their cost/benefit analysis? What does P&Z propose to do about this massive increase in traffic?
P&Z did not compile the fiscal impact analysis. The town compiled the fiscal impact analysis, which still needs to be better explained because it contains contradictory information.
I'm pretty sure it does not include anything related to Rte 10 traffic.
A true cost/benefit analysis should include the costs of all the "secondary" impacts, such as increased traffic and possible need for adding lanes, etc.
Isn't it Planning and Zoning's job to question the accuracy of the impact study and Milone's review of it?
How crazy to accept 11 students. this should be between 90 and 120 or even more. Once the other quadrants are built, can you imaging the number of students.
They should also be charged with the sewer capacity that they'll take and which will have to be replaced. If instead an industrial were to go in, there would be lower sewage needs and so much less impact on everything.
What about all the state money for roads and infrastructure. This money does not flow out of the ground.
What about all the time and gas we'll waste sitting another 20 to 30 minutes in traffic. Going to work and returning is already bad.
And what about the reduce property values we'll experience. Cheshire will just be part of the sprawl that surrounds us.
P&Z has done a good job for the developers.
Reminds me of the three monkeys
hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil.
So long sad times
Go long bad times
We are rid of you at last
Howdy gay times
Cloudy gray times
You are now a thing of the past
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again
Altogether shout it now
There's no one
Who can doubt it now
So let's tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again
Your cares and troubles are gone
There'll be no more from now on
From now on ...
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So, Let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy times
Happy nights
Happy days
Are here again!
Presumably, the fiscal impact accessment, which included the police and fire component, includes the traffic increase. The chief did say we need 5 add'l officers and a car because of this. Most police action is traffic related, ergo the traffic impact has been factored. As to its accuracy...to be sure it is an educated guess yet no doubtprobably understated.
You will never get a fire chief or a police chief sitting with their manager stating "we can't do this". It's their jobs to serve and protect and they will do this. It's the taxpayers commitment that must be factored in. Will they be willing to foot the bill that town councils will have to put forward sooner or later?
We had protection with our old P&C. It's changed and now we are at the mercy of the courts.
An editorial in this week's Hartford Courant sang the praises of mixed use developments. However, this was in regard to such developments being Town Centers. Who ever heard of Town Centers being placed on the outskirts of town? As mentioned at the last P and Z meeting, the reason there was no industrial development in the North End was because the land owners didn't want it. They waited until the time was right for them to make a killing putting in the latest example of sprawl. They waited until there was the right mix on the Town Council and the P and Z to push their plan forward. And Cheshire as we know it goes down the tubes.
Crazy
Crazy for feeling so lonely
Im crazy
Crazy for feeling so blue
I knew
Youd love me as long as you wanted
And then someday
Youd leave me for somebody new
Worry
Why do I let myself worry
Wondrin
What in the world did I do
Crazy
For thinking that my love could hold you
Im crazy for tryin
Crazy for cryin
And Im crazy
For lovin you
If you don't act on this fast we will get it shoved down our throat (or up somewhere else)sooner than later. There's big money behind this and it will take a lot of voices to do anything about it.
You jump in front of my car when you,
you know all the time that
Ninty miles an hour, girl, is the speed I drive
You tell me it's alright, you don't mind a little pain
You say you just want me to take you for a ride
You're just like crosstown traffic
So hard to get through to you
Crosstown traffic
I don't need to run over you
Crosstown traffic
All you do is slow me down
And I'm tryin' to get on the other side of town
I'm not the only soul who's accused of hit and run
Tire tracks all across your back
I can see you had your fun
But darlin' can't you see my signals turn from green to red
And with you I can see a traffic jam straight up ahead
You're just like crosstown traffic
So hard to get through to you
Crosstown traffic
I don't need to run over you
Crosstown traffic
All you do is slow me down
And I got better things on the other side of town
Yeah! yeah!
Crosstown traffic
Look out
Look out baby
Coming through
Crosstown traffic
Yeah! look out crosstown traffic yeah look out
Look out look out baby crosstown traffic
Yeah, look out
What's that in the street?
Crosstown traffic
Yeah, look out
Crosstown traffic
Yeah look out
Tim, delete the posts of the moron posting the song lyrics. If these are the kind of people supporting the mall that pretty much says it all.
James Fazzone's comments to the editor looks just like another attempt to mislead the public into thinking the mall is a good thing. Remember he is a developer and the brother of Anthony Fazzone, the mall's lawyer.
He says nearly everyone he talks with thinks the mall is great. If you talk with people who have a financial interest in it, of course they will support it.
He says, it's been 22 years and not one acre of the I/C has been developed. If owners don't want to sell, you can't develop anything. You can make more money by waiting and changing the zoning.
He says retail development is more lucrative to the town. Wow how wrong can one get, it requires more infrastructure and services, and more asphalt parking than warehousing, or industrial. And, why doesn't he mention the residential component of this this. None of the supporter want to talk about the residential. It started off as 160 rentals, now it's 146 condos and it's anyone's guess what it will end up as. Why does Jimmy want to hide the residential? Is it because it will overload our school system? How in the world can this development ever be more lucrative?
He says people would not have to leave town to shop? Wake up! It's 4.2 miles north from Town Hall, on the busiest road in town, rt 10, on the Southington border, a couple hundred yards more and you out of town. He should drive it during peak time.
His vocal minority includes the the few people that think with their wallets and support the mall and housing. No, they don't think about all the negative aspects this will have on our quality of life. They think of all the money they can make. It's all about money, money, money......
And, he doesn't mention how the additonal traffic will exaserbate an already bad situation. In all, the supporters just don't seem to care what happens to Cheshire.
Ev'rybody loves somebody sometime
ev'rybody falls in love somehow.
Something in your kiss just told me
my sometime is now.
Ev'rybody finds somebody someplace
there's no telling where love may appear.
Something in my heart keeps saying
my someplace is now.
Ev'rybody loves somebody sometime
and although my dream was overdue
your love made it well worth waiting
for sometime is now.
If I had it in my power
I'd arrange for ev'ry girl to have your charms.
Then ev'ry minute
ev'ry hour
ev'ry boy would find what I found in your arms.
Ev'rybody loves somebody sometime
ev'rybody falls in love somehow.
Something in your kiss just told me
my sometime is here.
Does anybody pay attention to all the robberies that occur in Southington and the surrounding towns? Bob's Furniture store held up Sunday Morning and $10,000 was stolen. Thank goodness no employ was hurt. Everyday it seems someplace is robbed. We better be careful.
Imagine a traffic study that only includes the next intersection. How ignorant do they think we are?? Someone better wake up the P&Z...
Anonymous said...
"Crazy
Crazy for feeling so lonely
Im crazy
Crazy for feeling so blue..."
Ever since the election, this person has been spamming with the lyrics of various songs.
But his choice of the above lyrics shows that this poor soul really needs help.
May I suggest he contact :
The Wallingford Psychotherapy Group
(203) 265-4580
185 Center St Suite B
Wallingford, CT
anon 9:23 It's sad. I hope that Cheshire has sent a letter to our Neighbors and offered help in the form of personnel or monetary to defray labor/costs to correct the vandalism. If and when the people are caught the costs could then be reimbursed if it's a Southington person. If it's Cheshire person at least we helped right from the start. Shame on those that did this!!!!
To Concerned Pastor,
that's no poor soul, it's just Matt. He was posting nasty, name calling comments for a year until he got outed here in October. So he stopped for awhile until after the election.
Now he's begun posting these inane songs.
Here's some psychoanalysis. He was active-aggressive in his harassment, and now he's more passive-aggressive. But I won't dispute that he needs help. In his own words, "I'm crazy, I'm crazy...."
He might be "crazy" but will be laughing all the way to his bank with the W/S check. We are the iodiots for letting this happen.
9:36 I doubt a Southington person did the vandalism. "Go Rams" and similar remarks were reported in the paper as being spray painted on their field, track, etc. Seems sportsmanship, honesty and integrity are not high on the list of things the coaches are teaching our kids.
Anon 10:47 You might be right but I was given the police time to investigate etc.
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How is it that all the business people complain that traffic congestion is one of the biggest problems and yet the Economic Development Commission, the town's Economic Development Coordinator and the Chamber of Commerce approved of the mall that will turn route 10 into "The Highway To Nowhere. The Chamber of Commerce, whoever that may be, didn't even ask their members if they thought the mall was a good idea. Some members of the chamber are now casting their ultimate vote, with their feet.
How can one commission (EDC) recommend anything? Is that any of their business? Conflict! Conflict!
Can a Town Council or commission member not recuse themselves from a vote when a person they do business with has a request before their organiztion? Shouldn't they be aware of who are members of LLC's that they do business with?
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